congratulations on getting the 324K out of your toyota. GM products do it all the time. AGAIN I REPEAT FOR THE ZILLIONTH TIME.. RESEARCH… Do your research. Have you seen the website for the 1 MILLION mile club from chevrolet? Didnt think so.

Your 2000 might be great. BUT it is a mid size truck not a full size truck. It was made in japan.

RESEARCH AND YOU WILL FIND.. NOT ONLY is toyota the least reliable, most problimatic and unsafe trucks on the road they import their parts from JAPAN. PROFITS GO TO JAPAN.

SO DONT cry to me about all this mumbo jumbo BS.. RESEARCH FACTS. THEN SPEAK UP.

THANK YOU

quote:
“Nate… You might want to research a bit more before you publish BULLSHIT..

FACT…

Flint Engine South is a General Motors automobile engine factory in Flint, Michigan. The 68 000 m² (733,000 square foot) plant opened in 2000 and is named to complement the Flint North engine plant. It is the site of production of the modern GM Atlas engine and GM High Feature engines.

Thank you and goodnight.”

Good job buddy,but those are engines…theres quite a bit more left to the truck last time i checked. I agree with Nate on this one, Toyota has factories in the U.S. and they are employing tons of Americans! Now ya sure Ford, GM, Dodge and the like have factories in the U.S., or one would hope so, they were made here, but they also have factories in Canada and Mexico and I’m pretty sure Americans aren’t making a daily commute across the border….

At least Toyota (who originated OUTSIDE the U.S.) is moving to the U.S. and helping out our people!

Seriously dude, your being ridiculously negative, go spout your shit on some GM forums. Every truck has its pro’s and con’s, none of them are perfect. And yes, that includes GM.

Now this is solely my experience with the Toyota, which have all been great. Some will disagree, but thats what makes this interesting.

the Tundra commercials give the impression of it being bigger and bolder; how come it sucks at crash tests and cam shafts?

ads: they don’t tell you what you want to hear, they tell you what the seller wants you to hear.

i guess if you buy a new Tundra you’ll get cam-Shafted!!!

(EDITOR’S NOTE: Testing, judging, and story for the February 2008 issue of Motor Trend were completed and printed before the latest safety recall involving 15,600 2007 Tundras to correct a potential driveshaft issue)

They have THE WORST safety rating of the bunch
They have THE WORST reliability of the bunch.
The engines have blown
The transmissions have failed
The tailgates are coming apart at the seams.

As they say, buyer beware.

!!!! Hoah !!!!

Get ya some of that.

Introducing the 2008 Motor Trend Truck of the Year……
(drum roll please………..)

The One and Only
TOYOTA TUNDRA
!!!! Hoah !!!!

Great Job Team Texas !!!

“The F-150, Ram, and Silverado guys had better get out of the rain”

resources:
http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/truck/112_0802_toty_winner/

Assy Pilot in da House…

Such a fun and informative blog! Hopefully others can find value in my site as well….

Yup..

Check the junk yards.

Unlike some dumb people on this forum, Mike actually takes time and makes research, and the facts that he brings us, are still TRUE FACTS, nobody cares what you think about them FACTS ARE FACTS.

FACT…

Flint Engine South is a General Motors automobile engine factory in Flint, Michigan. The 68 000 m² (733,000 square foot) plant opened in 2000 and is named to complement the Flint North engine plant. It is the site of production of the modern GM Atlas engine and GM High Feature engines.

Thank you and goodnight.

This Mike guy loves to pound his chest and show off his Cheverolet tattoos and cut/paste facts from the internet…. a real American tough guy. did you know that the GMC Envoys have a Toyota engine in them?

http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/news/toyota/tundra/tailgates/page1.html

GLAD I would never own jap scrap

http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/news/toyota/tundra/transmissions/page1.html

http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/news/toyota/tundra/crreliability/slips.html

http://jalopnik.com/cars/pickup-trucks/toyota-at-texas-state-fair-to-race-leaving-towing-to-chevy-304526.php

Congratulations!!! You just bought a vehicle you claim is standard with a lot of safety features…

Here is a FACT for you in my own words.

Tundra scored a 4 star crash rating.

GM a 5 STAR WITHOUT side curtain airbags.

Dosent get higher the 5 star, so the side curtain airbags or simpy an added bonus.

Be proud of yourself. You did your research based on Safety yet you bought the worst rated vehicle in its class when it comes to safety. And you trust you and your families life in it.

You might want to do a little better research next time. Best of luck to you.

Cutting and pasting is not my thing, copyright laws and all. If you are going to state a fact the GMC web site is the place to find it, but could at least you use your own words.

As fas as all the other bull out there, The U.S. full size trucks have a history of great service, where Toyota just came out with a full size truck(not a look alike). I will give my Tundra a good run for the money and see if it can live up to all that bull (FACT) you pasted in your own words.

Toyota Tundra may be recalled

Engine trouble on new Texas-made pickup could hurt quality reputation.

Christine Tierney / The Detroit News

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Toyota Motor Corp. faces a costly setback in the biggest U.S. vehicle launch in its history after owners of its new Tundra pickup reported engine failures.

The Japanese automaker may recall Tundras equipped with 5.7-liter V-8s to replace the engines, a company spokesman said Wednesday.

The trouble with the Tundra’s 5.7-liter engines, the most powerful engine available on the new pickup, is the latest in a series of recalls and problems that have dented Toyota’s reputation.

The automaker set the industry standards for vehicle quality, but now seems to be straining to maintain top quality as it expands overseas, builds factories and hires thousands of new workers.

“It’s really tough,” said Karl Brauer, editor of Edmunds.com, an automotive research Web site. “Engine failure kills a car’s ability to run and it’s not a simple thing to fix.”

Such a problem is also likely to affect residual values, he said.

Industry experts say Toyota is extremely vulnerable to negative publicity because of its prominence in the industry.

In the first quarter of 2007, Toyota overtook General Motors Corp. to become the world’s leading automaker in terms of sales.

With the launch of the Tundra earlier this year, Toyota aims to double its share of the lucrative full-size pickup market, one of the few segments still dominated by the U.S. automakers.

Toyota officials characterize the Tundra launch as the most important introduction in the company’s history in the United States.

The rollout has suffered delays and disappointments. For instance, the Tundra earned lower frontal crash scores than domestic rivals such as the Ford F-150 and Dodge Ram.

But the engine problem is more damaging and could slow the vehicle’s brisk sales momentum.

Company spokesman Bill Kwong said Toyota realized in February that there was a problem with the camshafts delivered by a supplier for the 5.7-liter engine, and the automaker ordered the necessary changes to production.

Still, Toyota has seen 20 cases of engine failure in trucks equipped with 5.7-liter engines, although no injuries have been reported.

Toyota is now studying how many of the 30,000 5.7-liter engines it built are affected.

Toyota builds the Tundra pickup at assembly plants in Princeton, Ind., and San Antonio, Texas, and makes the engines in Alabama.

The automaker hopes to sell 200,000 new Tundras this year, compared with 124,508 previous-generation Tundras in 2006.

But U.S. automakers are holding their own in the pickup market, and GM has been successful with its new Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra trucks.

In contrast to their performance in the car market, where they have been pushed back by Japanese nameplates, American manufacturers account for more than 90 percent of full-size pickup sales, which totaled 2.2 million units in 2006.

When you buy a Vehicle the ramifications are a LOT larger then how fast you can go from 0-60..

You should be ashamed of yourself. I am ashamed that you consider yourself an American.

I will buy my Tundra in May.

Look at the frames. Look at the seat mounts. Look at the over all quality. And look me in the eye and tell me Toy makes a better product. If you can you are delusional at best. Idoiotic at worst.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz you bore me…

1,) GM NEVER had 0% and 4K rebates. Period… Go by a dealership and try to get those two combined. … Will not happen. Smoke all the crack you wish. Still won’t happen.

2,) GMC and Chevy are the same trucks… PERIOD.. Go by the PLANT in INDIANA and check it out for yourself. Watch them come off the line.. Watch them go down the line.. Tell me how they are different.. Exactly. You cannot.

3.) GM is one company who does not have ports nor parking lots stacked with vehicles. DO a bit of homework. you might be surprised to know who is selling the most vehicles on the planet.

4.) show me a comparable vehicle.. option for option. And tell me which is the better vehicle. NOT just with BS.. With real world facts. The real world facts prove toy dosent even offer features available as standard or option on the GM Product. Get back into the reality of the situation. Tundra will continue to be an after thought for real truck buyers. GM wins hands down. The quality is there, the reliablitly is there, the warranty is there, the price is there, and they are American.. Do not fool yourself into making dumb decisions.. Advertising is just that. Facts are facts.. I can make your eyes bleed with facts.

5.) Like it or not, Flex fuel (I.E. E85 alternative fuel) is here. It is growing and it is popular.. Live with it.. Get with the times or jump off the bus. Your uninformed rambling should embarass you. It makes me laugh.

Mike

Hold on, Ford says because of the fully boxed frame the F-150 can tow 11k. Humm… why do they use a C-channel frame in the Super-Duty?

So to all of you toyfags, where do think the money made from the sale of this car goes and how does buying this car help our economy. I await to read some of your answers

Toyota’s new Tundra was the target of climate change activists, who scaled the lobby walls of the Javits Center during the New York International Auto Show to hoist a banner satirizing it’s $100M ad campaign. The Freedom from Oil Campaign changed the Tundra’s tagline from “The Truck That’s Changing It All” to “The Truck That’s Changing The Climate.” In addition to wordsmithing, the banner showed a picture of a Tundra Double Cab nearly cutting the Earth in two after driving over the blue planet.

In its press release Freedom From Oil co-director Mike Hudema said the following, “Toyota can’t have it both ways; Toyota can’t call themselves an environmental leader while fighting legislation to curb greenhouse gas pollution and accelerating into the truck market.”

And Hudema’s fellow co-director, Sara Connolly, stated, “Building Priuses does not give Toyota license to mass-produce the Tundra.”

Must suck for Toy…

Did You Know?
The Tundra offers a rearview camera in its damped and assisted tailgate.The Tundra’s TRD package comes into its own off the pavement, however, with four standout factors: tires, suspension compliance and flexibility, tighter maneuverability, and greater throttle modulation aided by a far superior crawl ratio. The Chevy did better than we anticipated on street treads, as long as we were vertical, not sideways, or on a solid surface they could adhere to. The Chevy’s locking diff was more useful than the Tundra’s traction control, as we could spin the rear to execute U-turns or balance it on faster dirt roads, and it didn’t have wheelhop like the Tundra. But a lack of grip, ground clearance, and a jittery washboard ride made it more work to match progress. Bottom line: If your duty cycle includes dirt roads or tracks, choose a Z71 when you order a Silverado 4×4 and leave those good looking 20-inch wheels for show.

The battle, the war
Although the big-engine Tundra has much of the running gear and towing ability to compete with most base three-quarter-tons, it doesn’t have the payload rating for those heavy-duty owners who routinely consider “it’ll fit” a definition of maximum load capacity.

In LTZ spec, the Silverado interior looks as glamorous as that of a luxury sedan, the requisite paneling and leather trimmed in subdued hues and textures to an elegantly simple design. We’d prefer more storage areas (all the other trim levels have dual gloveboxes), but it works and makes an ideal second car with kids or occasional adults in back.

By contrast, the Tundra dash looks massive and a bit disorganized, with the center-stack finishes and components split 30/70 along a vertical axis. Instruments and warning lights are well shaded, but deep in five pods and not as easy to read at a glance as the Chevy’s. However, the Tundra offers a multitude of bins and cubbies for stashing everything from smokes to a laptop or hanging files; it wins the cup/bottle-holder count and has plenty of dummy plates for adding switches for those must-have truck accessories.

Unlike the Silverado’s Element-style suicide back doors, the Tundra’s open conventionally via a body-colored handle for camouflage. Storage below the rear seat isn’t as good as in the Chevy, but everyone found the Tundra’s rear seat easier to get in to and a more comfortable place to sit, the forward canted rear window having no effect on headroom. The Toyota’s tilt and telescoping column and greater seat adjustments also delivered more comfort than the Chevy’s adjustable pedals and tilt-only wheel.

The battle, the war(cont)
Toyota also can’t match long-standing relationships between the Detroit brands’ dealers and owners or fleet managers and the latter’s often-extensive inventory of parts, documentation, and specialty tools. So this battle will come down to the recreational user or independent contractor, and if there’s a Toyota dealer nearby with a service bay big enough, the Tundra has a legitimate shot at stealing some sales.

Which is the better truck? That’s a tough question. The Tundra’s interior is roomier and has lots of clever packaging and features, but the Silverado’s cabin looks classier and-praise be!-just as well built. The Tundra’s size gives it a real presence on the road, but the Silverado’s styling is crisper, cleaner, and more sophisticated, with terrific paint and tight panel gaps. The Tundra has the higher tow rating across the range, but the Silverado will carry nearly 400 pounds more. And it has the better warranty.

Our testers weren’t ideally matched: A fairer comparison would’ve been to have the Tundra with the 271-horsepower, 4.7-liter V-8 ($37,935) or the Silverado with the optional 367-horse, 6.0-liter engine ($36,500); but neither company’s press fleet had exactly the right combo for us. Yet the Tundra’s 5.7 is such a stormer, even the bigger engine wouldn’t have been enough for the Chevy to overcome the Toyota’s performance advantage. Also, Toyota offers a six-speed auto across the Tundra range-the Silverado will have to wait until next year to get the GM six-speed used in the Cadillac Escalade.

Price is the key to winning truck buyer’s hearts and minds, and Toyota’s playing a smoke-and-mirrors game with Tundra. The base V-6 Tundras are up to $4000 more expensive than comparable Silverados, which shows Toyota’s not even bothering to chase work truck sales. Meanwhile, the top-end Tundra Limiteds all cost $2000 to $3000 more than similarly loaded Chevys. But the regular cab Tundra 5.7s, which deliver killer performance, are all sharply priced within 50 bucks or so of their 5.3-liter Chevy rivals.

In this test, the Tundra’s the faster truck, and has some neat features. But the Chevy’s far better value. It wins this round. But the battle is far from over.

1st Place: Chevrolet Silverado
Stylish interior, solid build and loading flexibility, but hampered by its old-school auto transmission.

2nd Place: Toyota Tundra
A superior powertrain, more room, and clever packaging, but in this spec can’t match Chevy’s value.

Toyota ain’t ‘American’

Here we go again. Toyota Motor Corp. has opened its San Antonio pick up plant, so we’re being fed this tiresome line that Japan’s No. 1 automaker is really an “American company” because it a) directly employs some 30,000-plus in the United States and b) indirectly provides jobs to tens-of-thousands more and c) is preparing to run in NASCAR.

Don’t care. Unless and until the boys in Aichi Prefecture pick up and move their HQ here and list their shares as domestic shares on the New York Stock Exchange, Toyota … now read these words slowly and clearly … will not be an American company. Period.

That said, a few qualifiers. Toyota is the best automotive operator in the business. Toyota is the standard everyone else wants to emulate — see The News on new Ford CEO Alan Mulally or my Saturday column. Toyota is a cash machine, thanks in large part to American cash. And Toyota is on track to become the world’s largest automaker, sooner than General Motors Corp. would care to admit.

But Toyota is also wrestling with dodgy quality, having recalled more cars and trucks from the American market than any other major manufacturer. It’s having trouble staffing growth, which may be contributing to its quality issues. And the Democratic sweep of Washington may make the Japanese automaker’s inability to satisfy the growth from its American plants a bigger political issue that it otherwise would have been.

Why? Because it is being forced to meet demand with output from plants in Japan — not a popular move with Dem politicos whose labor supporters want to know what they’ll do about it. Now.

Don’t begrudge Toyota its success. But please don’t call it an “American company” because it isn’t. All the NASCAR races and Texas truck plants they can muster don’t make it so. They just change the subject.

Tundra is offering incentives because serious truck users will not buy toys.

Fit and finish does not even come close to GM as proven by the many magazine articles that prove otherwise.

who cares how the drivers side spark plugs come out. You do not even change them until 100K miles…

I have drove them all… Toyota.. AS ALL THE MAGAZINE ARTICLES PROVE.. SUCKS…

again. If you wish to kill you and your family.. you know where they toy store is..

If you wish to own a real truck that is built well and performs as promised step up to a GM product..

If you were such a smart guy you would not even consider owning a second rate product that has the potential to kill your family. If that is the decision you make that is your choice. I hope I do not read about you and yours in the paper…

in the mean time .. Just like Car and Driver says. Its Silverado for me.

Goodnight.

The company builds Lexus, the best-selling luxury brand in the United States. It builds the Prius, the hybrid shuttlecraft with more green cachet than macrobiotic tofu. It created Scion, which in three years went from a Scrabble word to the last word in Gen-Y branding.

So is this the company that can do no wrong? Not really.

I give you the Toyota Yaris, a surprisingly routine and summarily undelightful B-class subcompact that feels as mailed-in as if it had a stamp on it. Cute? Sure, in an entomological way, i.e., it kind of looks like a bug you would pin to a corkboard.

Cheap? Oh yes, to a fault. The $11,530 MSRP (with delivery) can’t make room for things like a radio/CD/MP3, anti-lock brakes, rear-window wiper or rear fogger, or split-folding rear seat. Our test car had another $3,210 of options: alloy wheels, power windows and doors, four-speaker audio with CD/MP3 player, ABS, front side-air bags, side curtain air bags. But up against other recent B-class urban runabouts — the Honda Fit, the Nissan Versa — the Yaris is less car for more money. And tinny. Compared with the sealed and muffled character of the Honda Fit, this thing’s got more ring-a-ding than Frank Sinatra at Caesars Palace.

Perhaps I’m just reacting to the wind shear. In the midst of Toyota’s triumphal march across America — including a go at NASCAR racing and a full-court press in the full-size pickup segment (Tundra), both at the emotional heart of American car culture — the Yaris seems puny. Excellence has become so routine that, when one of Toyota’s cars goes so far amiss, you have to wonder if this is the first thread of an unraveling Toyota mystique.

But wait, it’s only one car, right? Not exactly. Because they are products of huge collaborative systems involving everything from supplier networks to lunchroom politics, cars are definitely expressive, irreducible sums of the companies that make them.

It isn’t about bashing. Toyota is not immune to the same entropic forces that affect any large and successful organization, or nation, at the top of its game. Do you think Toyota’s execs, engineers and workers are somehow smarter than those of GM? They aren’t. Given time, the dialectics of decline will take hold at Toyota just as they have in Detroit.

Which makes me eye the Yaris with suspicion. The Yaris came to our shores last year as a replacement for the Echo, which itself didn’t inspire much Klingon love poetry. Like a couple of the Scion models, the Yaris is a transplant from the Japanese domestic market. It has been stretched and widened a bit for the U.S. market, though you might find that hard to believe in the backseat, which is about as roomy as a piece of Hartmann luggage. The rear seat is on sliders, but I can’t imagine why you would want less legroom. The car comes as a sedan or three-door hatchback, the latter being the incredibly cute one.

Sitting sideways under the beamish little hood is a 1.5-liter, 106-hp four-cylinder engine dressed with Toyota’s faultless variable valve timing heads. The engine sends its 103 pound-feet of torque (at a brisk 4,200 rpm) through either a five-speed manual or four-speed automatic transmission. At 2,290 pounds, this thing’s a flyweight. The payoff comes in the car’s 34/40 city/highway mpg. The great, suffering payback is in general drivability. The engine — having negligible low-speed torque — busts a gut on anything like a hill, and the gear spacing is such that you have to put it in first gear and flog the huskies for all they’re worth. Flogged huskies do not a pleasant sound make.

Toyota went slightly mad on the dieting. The Yaris sounds so hollow and reverberant you wonder if it shouldn’t have just kept the Echo name. Meanwhile, the car tends to dance around in high winds and generally feels unsettled at highway speeds.

As for handling, it has some. Actually, for a little car, the Yaris has some pretty acute body roll and lean. It reminds me of the old Jackie Stewart exercise in which he put a ball in a bowl affixed to the hood of a car to demonstrate the effects of smooth driving. Except in this case, the Yaris is the ball.

It’s not all bad. The build quality is excellent. The interior (with plastic fixtures inspired by a Super Soaker) is modern and easy to use. The upholstery is nice. That’s all I’ve got.

The irony is, of course, that Toyota made its bones in the U.S. market making cheap, superlative compacts. But the Yaris, after the Echo, suggests the company is losing its common touch

Toyota dealers began offering a $1,000 trade-in incentive this week to Tundra buyers, who can combine that discount with existing cash-back offers of as much as $2,000.

Analysts say they are surprised to see such heavy incentives on a vehicle that went on sale less than two months ago, but Denise Morrissey, a spokeswoman for the automaker, said that such offers were “just part of how you do business.”

Ms. Morrissey said Thursday that higher discounts were available on some competing trucks and that failing to keep up could hurt the Tundra’s ability to attract shoppers. “In the truck segment, the customers really do expect them,” Ms. Morrissey said. “This is our first real foray into this segment. When in Rome, you know.”

The Tundra’s growing list of incentives is welcome news in Detroit, which has long dominated the pickup market. Although General Motors and Ford have publicly said they are not worried about losing sales to the Tundra, Toyota has shown repeatedly that it should never be underestimated.

So far the Tundra, which was redesigned to be bigger and brawnier, has fallen short of its publicity. Toyota, known for its commitment to vehicle safety, suffered embarrassment last week when the federal government gave the Tundra a four-star rating in frontal crash tests — one star fewer than all competing models made by Detroit.

The incentives bring the Tundra’s price more in line with segment leaders, like the Chevrolet Silverado and Ford F-series. Toyota points out that many standard features on the Tundra are costly options on its rivals, but its higher base price is seen as a deterrent to some shoppers.

“The Tundra’s relatively high price seems to have alienated many potential buyers who might otherwise have been swayed to consider a well-equipped, Texas-built truck produced by an import automaker with a solid reputation,” said Jesse Toprak, senior analyst at Edmunds.com, a Web site that gives car-buying advice to consumers.

Ms. Morrissey said Toyota would continually evaluate the Tundra’s standard and optional features. She also noted that the highest incentives applied to the single-cab model, which is expected to account for only 10 percent of the Tundra’s overall sales.

Toyota hopes to sell 200,000 of the trucks this year. The double-cab version is expected to account for 60 percent of those sales, and the CrewMax, which began arriving at dealerships last week, for 30 percent.

Date Released: 03/31/2007
In a Seeking Alpha article quoting the New York Times, Toyota hasn’t been doing to well with the Tundra full-size pickup truck. GM and Ford are happy with the news as they feared that Toyota would succeed in invading the truck segment with the same success as the family sedan.
Toyota initiated a $1000 incentive bringing total incentives up to $3000; now Toyota models are priced the same as GM models. “The Times says the incentives are welcome news among U.S. companies like GM and Ford” according to SA.

DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4 STAR CRASH RATING…

Yeah.. Be proud to drive your family around in that turd.

Cya

Toyota Point (T.V. Ad)
“What makes a work truck beautiful…guts.”(overhead view of engine and frame)
Chevy Counterpoint
We could not agree more…that’s why Silverado is built with a strong, full-boxed frame from front to the rear spare tire area. Tundra’s frame is only boxed at the engine bay with C-channel rails under the passenger compartment & cargo box. We also use hydroformed front frame rails which improve rigidity & strength while reducing weight. Tundra’s front rails are stamped C-channels that are welded together. Some other key attributes offered:
Silverado PickupsTundra Pickups
Full-time on-demand 4WD (opt.)Part-time 4WD capability
Full locking rear differential (opt.)Limited slip rear differential
Solid, lower control armsHollow, welded lower control arms
Solid frame crossmembersWelded C-channel crossmembers
Front compatibility bracketsNo front compatibility brackets
Looks like it’s time for a real gut check…

Toyota Point
Tundra offers standard head curtain side airbags –Chevy Silverado does not
Chevy Counterpoint
Our Full-Size Pickups come with optional head curtain side airbags…plus Onstar, heated wiper washer fluid, standard daytime running lamps, proactive roll avoidance, standard tire pressure monitoring system, & a new front frame with compatibility brackets –Tundra cannot match that.

Toyota Point (Web Ad)
Tundra offers 10,800 lbs. max towing.
Chevy Counterpoint
The 10,800 lbs. max towing is on Regular Cab. Silverado towing is comparable when looking at Extended & Crew Cab. Also, note the sacrifice Tundra makes in payload –Silverado maintains a minimum payload advantage over Tundra of 350 lbs. in Extended & Crew Cab payload.

Toyota Point (TV Ad)
“The ring gear on most full-size pickups out there is this big (9.5”), the one you want is this big (10.5”)…found on the new Tundra, how do you like them apples?”
Chevy Counterpoint
The larger ring gear Tundra offers is only available with 5.7L V8 and forces a minimum gear ratio of 4:10:1. All other Tundra applications are a traditional 9.5”axle (same as Silverado). Also, larger is heavier, not necessarily “heavy duty”. A larger ring & pinion requires more power to turn the rear wheels, effectively reducing the amount of power available at the rear wheels.

Toyota Point (Web Ad)
Offers available 2,065 lbs. max. payload
Chevy Counterpoint
The only Tundra offering at least 2,000 lbs. of payload is a 2WDTundra Reg Cab. The least maximum payload offered by GM is 1,850 lbs. on a 4WD Reg Cab. All Silverado Ext & Crew most popular models offer a max. payload greater than 2,000 lbs. Why? –because the Silverado was designed with attention to vehicle mass.

Toyota Point (Web Ad)
“The all new Tundra. The truck that’s changing it all.”
Chevy Counterpoint
The all new Silverado has a front under seat storage compartment (that’s lockable)
with a power outlet, a lower & more forward instrument panel, a cleanly finished cargo bed, & a strong full-boxed frame with vehicle compatibility brackets. Change is good.

Toyota Point
The Tundra Crew Max has a rear sliding seat feature and best-in-segment legroom.
Chevy Counterpoint
Silverado has competitive rear legroom, plus the rear seat folds up to provide a clean, flat storage space. AND Silverado has segment leading rear headroom. So the question is would you rather feel cramped in the legs or have your head bouncing against the headliner while off-roading?

Toyota Point
Tundra has best-in-segment rear legroom, Bluetooth technology, and a 2ndrow sliding seat (Crew Max only)
ChevyCounterpoint
Silverado gives its customers a choice of two interiors, DVD player in the instrument panel, factory installed remote start, power adjustable pedals, Extended cab segment leading rear access door opening (170 degrees), stadium style rear seats (with one hand flip & fold feature), and rear seat audio controls –none of which is available with Tundra

3/22/07 Silverado Gets 5-star Rating. Toyota Does Not.
You know the Toyota Tundra, right? The one with the “bigger brake rotors” (that takes 10-feet longer to stop according to the April issue of Car and Driver )? Well, turns out Toyota has a little problem on its hands in regard to safety.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recently released its frontal impact crash test ratings for the new 2007 Tundra full size pickup, and the news for Toyota was not good. In an era where five stars is the price of entry, the Tundra only garnered four stars for driver and passenger safety. NHTSA tested the Regular and Double Cab versions of the Tundra, with the same four star results.

In the same test, the all new 2007 Chevrolet Silverado scored five out of five stars. Ford F-150 and Dodge Ram 1500 also scored 5-stars for driver and front passenger safety in a frontal impact.

Let me prove to you what at total moron you are… First off the chevy has a 5 star crash rating no matter how many Airbags it comes equpped with. The Toyota only has 4.. Bottom line is you and your family will probably die in a toyota and not in a chevy. SIMPLE…

I know for a fact it will not cost you anything close to 6-8K on repairs unless of course you drive 100K miles per year. How can it?? the powertrain has a cost free powertrain warranty for 5 years or 100K miles.. DOH.. Guess your math skills are lacking.

Who cares how bag the rear diff is? It gets worse gas milage in its attempts to keep up with GM towing capacity. THEY ONLY way to get greater towing ability in a toy is with the regular cab. Everone drives crew cabs these days. The crew cab GM with the Vortec Max engine tows 10,500lbs. The toy dosent even come close. So get a grip on reality.

Whats that cargo capability on a toyota? Over 2K in the bed.. Not even close but it is on the chevy.. WHY? Fully boxed frame. Toyota has sheet metal for a frame. If that is what you want go for it… Nor for me. I do not have a need for a girls truck.

And no.. You cannot get both a Rear seat DVD player and a Sunroof from the factory … sorry dumbo. do your homework. Also you cannot get remote start from the factory. AGAIN I BEG YOU please do your homework. You sound like a 2nd grader.. without a brain.

I assure you me and my family and are much safer.. and better equipped and will be just fine in an AMERICAN MADE.. AMERICAN BUILT Chevrolet with more features. MORE TOWING CAPACITY. SAFER TRUCK.. so go buy your toy.. And hope like hell you never get in an accident.

DO YOUR HOMEWORK NEXT TIME YOU WISH TO TAKE ME ON….