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	<title>Comments on: Lord Byron: The Detroit Auto Show &#8212; Where Are You Going, Where Have You Been?</title>
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		<title>By: Detroit Auto Show Defends Its Perch &#124; Automotive News and Rumors</title>
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		<dc:creator>Detroit Auto Show Defends Its Perch &#124; Automotive News and Rumors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of the ills surrounding NAIAS would be cured with a simple move to June.  January weather makes Detroit appear to be even more dilapidated and God-forsaken than it already is.  Sending you poor, unpaid citizen-journos to Detroit in mid-January seems a cruel and unusual punishment.  Give me SEMA duty any day.  Speaking of SEMA, a compromise between capitulating to a California-centric world and holding NAIAS in a city with even a modicum of tourist appeal would be to relocate it to Las Vegas.  It would also symbolically represent the current state of the industry.  Even Jack&#039;s maquiladora line workers could take a quick trip across our high tech Hilary fence for a peek at their future products.  What&#039;s not to love?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the ills surrounding NAIAS would be cured with a simple move to June.  January weather makes Detroit appear to be even more dilapidated and God-forsaken than it already is.  Sending you poor, unpaid citizen-journos to Detroit in mid-January seems a cruel and unusual punishment.  Give me SEMA duty any day.  Speaking of SEMA, a compromise between capitulating to a California-centric world and holding NAIAS in a city with even a modicum of tourist appeal would be to relocate it to Las Vegas.  It would also symbolically represent the current state of the industry.  Even Jack&#8217;s maquiladora line workers could take a quick trip across our high tech Hilary fence for a peek at their future products.  What&#8217;s not to love?</p>
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		<title>By: Chesapeake Isuzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chesapeake Isuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course LA should be the center of the North American Auto Show....we are the most important city in the US after all.....JK.  All these auto shows are the same to me.  I just want to skip them and go to Japan where the real cool cars are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course LA should be the center of the North American Auto Show&#8230;.we are the most important city in the US after all&#8230;..JK.  All these auto shows are the same to me.  I just want to skip them and go to Japan where the real cool cars are!</p>
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		<title>By: Byron Hurd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Byron Hurd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to expand on that, there&#039;s nothing stopping Detroit from hosting a regional auto show. D.C. seems to enjoy hosting a show that is unanimously ignored by the international media, and they keep on truckin&#039;. =D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to expand on that, there&#8217;s nothing stopping Detroit from hosting a regional auto show. D.C. seems to enjoy hosting a show that is unanimously ignored by the international media, and they keep on truckin&#8217;. =D</p>
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		<title>By: Mad_Science</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad_Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;One minor quibble about this: one of the most important functions served by the Detroit show is to be a pep rally for the Michigan-area autoworkers. It’s a chance for them to see the fruits of their (collective) labor (bargaining agreeement) once a year.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

An &quot;International&quot; Auto Show seems like a silly venue for that. I would&#039;ve assumed they have a guaranteed quarterly BBQ built into their contract.

Byron: I like flipping. So I&#039;ll flip yours another way...
Choosing to &quot;not elevate&quot; California and it&#039;s CARB regs doesn&#039;t change the fact that CA is the biggest auto market in the country or that the regs exist.

In fact, the attitude of &quot;we&#039;ll ignore everything we don&#039;t like, understand, or that the Japanese are better at&quot; is exactly what&#039;s plagued Detroit for the last 30 years. If they want to be competitive going forward, they need to &lt;i&gt;embrace&lt;/i&gt; or at least &lt;i&gt;engage&lt;/i&gt; what CA represents.

I don&#039;t agree with how CARB operates, but I agree with the mission of cleaning up cars. It&#039;s just a matter of how. But that&#039;s a whole different pet argument of the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack:<br />
<i>&#8220;One minor quibble about this: one of the most important functions served by the Detroit show is to be a pep rally for the Michigan-area autoworkers. It’s a chance for them to see the fruits of their (collective) labor (bargaining agreeement) once a year.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>An &#8220;International&#8221; Auto Show seems like a silly venue for that. I would&#8217;ve assumed they have a guaranteed quarterly BBQ built into their contract.</p>
<p>Byron: I like flipping. So I&#8217;ll flip yours another way&#8230;<br />
Choosing to &#8220;not elevate&#8221; California and it&#8217;s CARB regs doesn&#8217;t change the fact that CA is the biggest auto market in the country or that the regs exist.</p>
<p>In fact, the attitude of &#8220;we&#8217;ll ignore everything we don&#8217;t like, understand, or that the Japanese are better at&#8221; is exactly what&#8217;s plagued Detroit for the last 30 years. If they want to be competitive going forward, they need to <i>embrace</i> or at least <i>engage</i> what CA represents.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with how CARB operates, but I agree with the mission of cleaning up cars. It&#8217;s just a matter of how. But that&#8217;s a whole different pet argument of the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Baruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Baruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One minor quibble about this: one of the most important functions served by the Detroit show is to be a pep rally for the Michigan-area autoworkers. It&#039;s a chance for them to see the fruits of their (collective) labor (bargaining agreeement) once a year. 

Of course, one could easily argue that, the way things are going, in order for the actual line people to see &quot;their&quot; cars, they should hold the show in Hermosillo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One minor quibble about this: one of the most important functions served by the Detroit show is to be a pep rally for the Michigan-area autoworkers. It&#8217;s a chance for them to see the fruits of their (collective) labor (bargaining agreeement) once a year. </p>
<p>Of course, one could easily argue that, the way things are going, in order for the actual line people to see &#8220;their&#8221; cars, they should hold the show in Hermosillo.</p>
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		<title>By: Byron Hurd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Byron Hurd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, and I&#039;m certainly open to a discussion, so keep it comin&#039;. 

Let&#039;s flip this around for a sec and look at it from the global auto industry/press perspective. Honest question: Do they really want to elevate California that way? Sure, it&#039;d be logistically convenient for many of them, but do they really want the CARB and hybrid state to be &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; public face of the American automotive landscape? Toyota might. Honda might. Ferrari and BMW might. But what about Volkswagen? CA has made their diesel plans far more complicated than they likely wanted. And the domestic manufacturers won&#039;t like it just on spec, because after all, CA isn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; America. 

I won&#039;t argue the historical impact of CA on the world of cars, but there&#039;s a political side of this that is probably more complicated than we give it credit for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, and I&#8217;m certainly open to a discussion, so keep it comin&#8217;. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s flip this around for a sec and look at it from the global auto industry/press perspective. Honest question: Do they really want to elevate California that way? Sure, it&#8217;d be logistically convenient for many of them, but do they really want the CARB and hybrid state to be <i>the</i> public face of the American automotive landscape? Toyota might. Honda might. Ferrari and BMW might. But what about Volkswagen? CA has made their diesel plans far more complicated than they likely wanted. And the domestic manufacturers won&#8217;t like it just on spec, because after all, CA isn&#8217;t <i>real</i> America. </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t argue the historical impact of CA on the world of cars, but there&#8217;s a political side of this that is probably more complicated than we give it credit for.</p>
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		<title>By: Mad_Science</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad_Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to point it out (ok, not really), but your article makes a great case for LA as &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; auto show.

It&#039;s the only of the &quot;Big 4&quot; that takes place in a city you&#039;d want to visit that time of year.

New York and New Yorkers don&#039;t get cars at best, and hate cars at worst.

LA is and has been &lt;i&gt;at least&lt;/i&gt; as much the cultural home of The Car as Detroit ever was.  In fact, I&#039;d say more-so.

Sure, Detroit has production, but we&#039;re not talking about the Manufacturing Robotics Show, we&#039;re showing the end product to consumers, which Los Angeles has more of.

If we&#039;re talking about media incentives to make that one trip per year, I&#039;d say LA makes a lot of sense. No canceled flights, plenty of media presence already here, plenty of other things to do, plenty of room to drive any of the new cars on freeways not covered (or torn up by) ice.

No one&#039;s making the case the the Auto industry is going to move out of Detroit, but there&#039;s no reason they can&#039;t take their marketing dollars away from home to where they&#039;ll be best spent.

Can you guess where I&#039;m writing this from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to point it out (ok, not really), but your article makes a great case for LA as <i>the</i> auto show.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the only of the &#8220;Big 4&#8243; that takes place in a city you&#8217;d want to visit that time of year.</p>
<p>New York and New Yorkers don&#8217;t get cars at best, and hate cars at worst.</p>
<p>LA is and has been <i>at least</i> as much the cultural home of The Car as Detroit ever was.  In fact, I&#8217;d say more-so.</p>
<p>Sure, Detroit has production, but we&#8217;re not talking about the Manufacturing Robotics Show, we&#8217;re showing the end product to consumers, which Los Angeles has more of.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re talking about media incentives to make that one trip per year, I&#8217;d say LA makes a lot of sense. No canceled flights, plenty of media presence already here, plenty of other things to do, plenty of room to drive any of the new cars on freeways not covered (or torn up by) ice.</p>
<p>No one&#8217;s making the case the the Auto industry is going to move out of Detroit, but there&#8217;s no reason they can&#8217;t take their marketing dollars away from home to where they&#8217;ll be best spent.</p>
<p>Can you guess where I&#8217;m writing this from?</p>
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		<title>By: Mercedes AMG SL 65 Black Series Pics from Los Angeles Auto Show &#124; Technology Blog</title>
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